The Story of the spat between the 14 yr old Ishmael and the 1yr old Isaac is a fabrication ?

God sent Hagar and the first born of Abraham into the wilderness when Ishmael was a baby….. and not when he was a 17 year old like what the scholars wrote in the bible.





A mother does not carry a 17 year old on her shoulder and then place the crying child of 17 yrs. under a bush and walk away while he dies of thirst.





It is abundantly clear from the story in Gen. 21:14-19 that Ishmael was a little baby at that time. Following is the documentation of this statement:





According to Gen. 16:16 Abraham was 86 years old when Ishmael was born. And according to Gen.21:5 Abraham was one hundred years old when Isaac was born. It follows that Ishmael was already fourteen years old when his younger brother Isaac was born.





According to Gen. 21:14-19, the jealousy incident took place after Issac was weaned. Biblical scholars tell us that “the child was weaned about the age of three”.





It follows that when Hagar and Ishmael were taken away Ishmael was a full grown teenager seventeen year old.





The profile of Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19, however , is that of a small baby and not of a teenager.


Why ?





First : According to the Interpreters Bible , the original Hebrew for Gen.21:14 was “…and put the child upon her shoulder”. The same reading is rendered in the Revised Standard Edition of the Bible.





How would a mother carry a Seventeen year old teenager “upon her shoulder? Certainly he was strong enough to carry his mother !


Ishmael must have been a baby .





Second : In Gen. 21:15 we are told that Hagar “cast” the child under one of the shrubs. Again, according to this Biblical text Ishmael must have been a baby and not a seventeen year old man.





Third: In Gen. 21:16 we are told that Hagar sat away so that she may not see the death of the child before her eyes. Is that a profile of a husky seventeen year old teenager who was probably capable of being worried about his mother dying before his eyes? Or is it obviously a profile of a small helpless baby or at most a small child?





Fourth : According to Gen. 21:17, the angels told Hagar “arise, lift up the lad”. Is a seventeen year old young man a proper object to be “lifted up” by a woman? Or is that a reference to a small child or baby?





Fifth: In Gen. 21:19, we are told that Hagar went to fill the bottle with water “and give the lad a drink”. One would expect a strong young man of seventeen to go and bring water to his mother instead.





The non Jewish version of the story is fully consistent and coherent from A to Z; Ishmael was a baby and Isaac was not born yet when this incident took place. This coherence and consistency are confirmed by centuries-old traditions and even actual locations in Mecca where Hagar and Ishmael settled. This clearly implies that the real reason behind their settlement in Arabia (Paran) was not the dictation, jealousy, ego or sense of racial superiority on the part of Sarah. It was rather God’s plan; pure and simple. The lineage of Ishmael was to be protected from the disasters that were to befall Jerusalem and the surrounding area.





It may be relevant to indicate that this issue is not the only instance of inconsistency in respect to Ishmael’s story. The Interpreters Bible compares the story of Hagar and Ishmael in Gen. 21:14-19 with that in an earlier chapter (Gen. 16:1-16) and concludes “the inclusion in Genesis of both stories so nearly alike and yet sufficiently different to be inconsistent, is one of many instances of the reluctance of the compilers to sacrifice any of the traditions which has become established in Israel.” (Interpreters Bible, ibid, p. 604)





Obviously early scholars fabricated the story of a spat between Isaac and Ishmael so they could disown the first born and have a God only for themselves to the exclusion of all others.





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1-----After Abraham had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Abram's wife Sarai took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to her husband Abram as HIS WIFE. -- GENESIS 16:3





2------So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of HIS SON, whom Hagar bore, ISHMAEL. - GENESIS 16:15








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The Story of the spat between the 14 yr old Ishmael and the 1yr old Isaac is a fabrication ?
Of course. This is only one of hundreds of errors in the bible; there are so many that it is pointless to pick on anything minor like this for detailed scrutiny.
Reply:Nineteen year old Ishmael and 5 year old Isaac. Sarah is frightened.





Eighty nine year old Ishmael and seventy five year old Isaac. Gen.25:7,9;
Reply:Ha ha ha! Abraham put the food and a skin of water on her shoulders... not the child!





Quote: "Early the next morning, Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and sent her off with the boy." Genesis 21:14
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Refer to Ishmael as a small baby may not be accurate because a small baby is refered to as young child in the case of Jesus birth where as Ishmael is refered to as a child at Genesis 21:14-19 and there are differing interpretations allowing for him being of age to carry his own food and water even though he clearly gave out before his mother did. Genesis 21: 14, 18


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Reply:We resolved this a few hours ago.





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